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We are actively gathering year-end financial information for our entire portfolio, and with most of the data already collected, the weighted average debt service coverage ratio remains over two times, with most of the collaterals in our portfolio generating more than twice their annual debt service payments. Those are two examples.
So, until the financial crisis of 2007 and 2009 or however you go — you actually time it, I was in this finance bubble. Any kind, collateral, non-collateral. They don’t have collateral. RITHOLTZ: And does that shield the company from liability? So, that was that and then comes the financial crisis.
And the question was if you can find other areas of investment that can generate the types of returns you need for your liability stream, diversification becomes the free lunch. SEIDES: John Yeah, I said back then, the bet started in 2007 and I say today, being in the market and investing in hedge funds is completely apples and oranges.
You’ve probably heard some aspects of this from the various interviews I’ve done with Howard Marks talking about the distressed asset fund they set up in 2007. You joined in 2007. But, but fast forward to June of 2007, you know, oaktree in the distressed debt landscape is, is really, you know, second to none.
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And they all sit on a massive amount of properties and collateral that needs to either be financed, sold. 10-year go back -- and I'm dating myself here, but go back to 2004 to 2007, the 10-year sat in a band between 2004 and 2007 of 4 to 4.50, and we had a very, very healthy market. And at the same time, a 4 to 4.50
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